Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing Spike Lee / Malcolm X

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/02/17/673670.aspx

Last week, an obviously disturbed, if not deranged, Obama supporter heckled President Clinton during his speech in WI and afterwards while accosting him in the rope line, quoted Barack Obama (who was quoting Spike Lee who pretended to be quoting Malcolm X )to the former President. He said Bill Clinton has been "bamboozling and hoodwinking" the American people.

Now ain't that odd?

Why is it that ever since South Carolina Obama is "borrowing" (ie.plagariazing) certain words of Spike Lee, without credit, in speech after speech after speech?


Is it OK because Spike is his "buddy" too?  Or is Obama "really" trying to say that Malcolm is.....?

rom NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
CANTON, OH -- Robert Holeman came to Timken High School here today with a message to deliver to Bill Clinton. He did -- and he said the former president wasn't happy about it.

Clinton spoke to a capacity crowd in this Northeast Ohio town, the third of five events today in the Buckeye State. He told voters that the contest was "the power of speeches against the promise of solutions by a world-class change maker."

Throughout the event, as Clinton made his case for his wife, Holeman's dissenting voice could be heard. At times he simply shouted Obama's name. When Clinton would set up a sure applause line, Holeman could be heard heckling. As soon as Clinton finished speaking, the Canton native made a beeline to the ropeline to give Clinton a piece of his mind.

Ironically, as only an Obama or an Obamite (or a DC pundit) can do, after heckling and attacking the President, he then blamed the Clinton campaign for being "divisive"

"I asked the president to please stop the bickering between the campaigns," Holeman said in an interview afterwards. "All this name calling is like the bully in the yard

"I think the president's trying hoodwink us, bamboozle us, put us back in the okie doke," he said.

HOODWINK - BAMBOOZLE


Remember those words? Since South Carolina, in Maryland, Wisconsin, Delaware, Texas, Obama has been using those words over and over again in his speeches. Theyr'e from a speech Spike Lee wrote for the character of Malcolm X in his movie of the same name.  They are also the first words heard in narration in Spike lee's later movie "Bamboozled".


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They were the eternal celluloid words of Malcolm X (as written by Spike Lee, but never uttered by Malcolm X)regarding political maneuvering in the African American community.  Here is the speech from the movie where these words are heard:



http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpe

eches/moviespeechmacolmxharlem.html


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So I'm not here this afternoon as a Republican, nor as a Democrat...



So I have to stand here today as what I was when I was born: A black man.



Before there was any such thing as a Republican or a Democrat, we were black...



In fact, before there was any such place as America, we were black!



And after America has long passed from the scene, there will still be black people.



I'm gonna tell you like it really is. Every election year these politicians are sent up here to pacify us! They're sent here and setup here by the White Man!



"I say and I say it again, you've been had. You've been took. You've been HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZLED, led astray...

Spike's Malcolm is gonna tell us how it "really is", why not Obama?

After you read the speech these words came from you don't need a dog's acute hearing to see these words as racial divisive code words used by Obama and his supporters.

The last time I wrote about this("You've Been Bamboozled!" Obama, Spike Lee, Malcolm X , Bill Clinton and the Press Corps- http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/26/15930/0207) how Obama had been using these Spike Lee/Malcolm X words - hoodwinked and bamboozle - as race baiting code, a pro Obama columnist wrote an entire Sunday Boston Globe column to show how wrong this simple blogger was about all this:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/02/10/hornswoggled/?page=2

blog commenters insisted that the combination of hoodwink and bamboozle was the giveaway; where else but in the “Malcolm X” speech would you find those “rare” words together?

Well, in Lord Greville’s memoir: “Palmerston never intended anything but to hoodwink his colleagues, bamboozle the French, and gain time” (1885). And in H.L. Mencken: “He does not merely tell how politicians hoodwink, bamboozle and prey upon the boobs; he shows precisely how” (1928). And even in “Some Facts about Treating Railroad Ties” (1912): “ ‘Quick high vacuum’ . . . and other imaginary words, intended to mystify, hoodwink and bamboozle the uninitiated.”

Can you believe that malarkey? Whose spirit was on the mind of the man who accosted Bill Clinton in WI, Malcolm X or Lord Greville? Maybe Obama is "borrowing" from books on preserving wood and not Spike Lee, I guess it's possible...

LET'S GET REAL FOLKS

Wikipedia says that:

Plagiarism is the act of incorporating material from someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgment.

Obama has been quoting this speech over and over, enough that it is sitting high in the head of his most passionate (and disturbed) supporters and NOT ONCE has he ever acknowledged where these words came from, who they were supposedly the words of and who wrote them.  Is he trying to reference Spike Lee malcolm X with these words or just trying to steal their rhetorical shine?  Which is it?  

One thing we know, they didnt come from his buddy in Massachusetts.  Or maybe they did....

Whose got Nexis-Lexis??!!



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Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (2.00 / 1)

I love your posts. The desperation and grasping at straws is what always makes them stand out.


M Hussein Garvey
by MGarvey on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:36:22 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (none / 0)

True dat. nuff said.
Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:28:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (2.00 / 1)

Wow, totally needed to be said, but you are going to be assailed by an Obamaton Blogswarm of epic proportions.

Do you think they'll justify this as an acceptable form of Sampling?


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:37:46 PM EST

Hello (none / 0)

When posting youtube vids here there is an odd thing you MUST do.

First, do just as you did. Next, immeiately go back and edit your diary. Find the area where the youtube code is.. delete it.. and then repaste in the ORIGINAL code.

Hit Update/Post and all should be OK

You might want to hit Preview first.


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by kevin22262 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:38:25 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: (1.00 / 0)

A new low.

Deperate and racist. Of course, you believe every word of it - I remember.

Just like the YouTube vid that Susan posted.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:42:28 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

have you gone insane?

youre accusing me of being a racist?

amazing...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:15:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

I'm accusing you of using a tactic that is not unlike what Larry Johnson is doing when talking about Kenya... or what SusanHu did when she posted the YouTube vi... or what the clown at the bottom of this thread is doing when whispering about Farrakhan... and what the RNC did to Harold Ford.

Now, you believe your words so much, that you are blind to the fact that highlighting a comparison between the centrist Obama and the radical Malcolm X, is a racist tactic. You and Susan can hide behind the charges of "plagiarism" to justify the Obama/Malcolm X comparison but that dog don't hunt.

I told you before that I won't treat you like one of the fools - and that means that I think you know exactly what you are doing.

And, btw, why not blame Obama for plagiarizing Jonathan Swift? Bamboozle is his. Then again, that would be absurb.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:25:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

did swift say hoodwinked in the same line too like obama and spike lee?

thats beyond absurd!

dont be an idiot.

obama is using these words to spread a point.
they werent chosen by random.

if obama didnt play the race card {kerry, cuomo, both clintons]after nh hed be dead by now...

you ALL should be ashamed of yourselves.

you especially for using it again.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:05:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

And what is "the point" that you think Obama is spreading? You think it's really a secret handshake to his black audience. You think, like the clown down below, that he's going to go all Farrakhan on us? That he really is a black Muslim? Because that's what your statement implies.

You're playing the fear card. Seymour. And you know it. And I know it.

You actually think you can post something in which you compare Obama to Malcolm X and not get called out on it.

Yet you want me to believe you are making a point ONLY about plagiarism?  If so, then you don't need the watermelon-munching Spike Lee poster, do you? I'm curious - just what do you think that adds?

There are others right now who are playing on the fear of the black president. Larry Johnson is all over it at NoQuarter by repeatedly mentioning Kenya. SusanHu is doing the same thing here and there with the YouTube Obama/Malcolm X vid.  Yesterday you posted a diary about Michelle Obama with a less-than-flattering pic of her. And today we get the watermelon Spike Lee poster. Does that make any of you racists? Nope. But it does mean you are willing to do anything to keep Hill's chances alive.

You were smart enough to realize that the anti-Harold Ford ad wasn't about Ford politics, but was about scaring white TN voters. So don't play like you're above the fray. You're in the fucking mud now, Seymour.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:52:41 PM EST
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Re: Bamboozled: (2.00 / 1)

For the record, that's the poster from the Spike Lee movie from 2000. It's a devastating and brilliant work, if often painful to watch. I don't see how using the film's poster to prove a point that is also addressed in the film is "racist." Will you explain why it is? Is Lee racist as well?


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:04:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

john lewis, andrew young, jesse jackson..ALL have said that it was obama who fasely brought race into this campaign.

i saw what was done to bob kerry and andrew cuomo,two good dems 20 times better than obama, slandered and slaughtered for his personal ambitions...

bull poo.

that chicago mob chose these words on purpose and the crazy guy who accosted clinton show you how they have worked on the minds of some AA voters...

dont frigging blame me for pointing out the truth.

And let me be clear... i USED to like Obama...but after the repeated charges of "racism"...now, I'll never respect him.  i know if he's the nominee Mccain will beat him bad, that I have no doubts of, so literally, i dont see any downside at all from hurting him...by any means necessary.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:16:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

"i dont see any downside at all from hurting him...by any means necessary."

At least you have the cojones to admit what you are doing.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:34:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

I dignify Seymour with a response. But not you. You are nothing to me.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:53:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

I'll gladly accuse of being a nincompoop.
Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:28:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who's got lexus? (none / 0)

Who's got Honda?

Who's got Ford?

Who's got Chevy?


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:43:12 PM EST

Re: Who's got lexus? (none / 0)

Haha.

Nice try Seymour... but it's Lexis-Nexi.

Minor detail, but I enjoy poking fun at both your insignificant stupidity and larger, over-riding stupidity :-)


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:22:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh i am so slayed by your nerd put downs.. (none / 0)

how can i possibly go on ?...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:35:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh i am so slayed by your nerd put downs.. (none / 0)

I'm sure you'll be fine.

You're the Energizer bunny of trolls!


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:56:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

kossack go home (none / 0)

this aint nerdland, we dont call each other "trolls" here.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:19:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: kossack go home (none / 0)

Nah.

I think I'm going to stick around for a while.

I like it here.


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:26:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

...that it has no standards of any kind anymore...


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:43:51 PM EST

Re: MyDD once again proves... (2.00 / 1)

Just what "standards" to free speech do you propose? Who is to be the arbiter? You personally? The collective lockstep conformity of the Obama Blogswarm?

Whether you agree or not, this diarist has the right to publicly say whatever he wants, your feelings be damned. You have the same right to respond, but imposing arbitrary standards on free speech is just antithetical to our society's values.

Read the friggin' First Amendment. Censor your children, not the free flow of ideas on a public forum.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:50:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

Wow.

You've convinced me.

I just wrote MSNBC and retracted the angry e-mail I sent them regarding David Schuster's "pimping" comment.  Even though I'm an Obama supporter, I thought that it was out of line... but I'm convinced - he shouldn't have been suspended, allowing the Clinton campaign to respond was sufficient.


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:55:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

Of course he shouldn't have been suspended. That's suppression of speech too. And of course the Clintons spun it to win political points and vilify a media opponent. That's politics. What is your point? Who mentioned Chelsea?


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

No one mentioned Chelsea.  It has nothing to do with Chelsea.

I'm saying I was in error when I wrote to MSNBC concerning the Schuster flap.  


by zonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:00:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

So the Shuster flap had nothing to do with Chelsea?


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:02:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No... (none / 0)

This is a privately run website that has banned numerous people and deleted numerous diaries over the years.

But since the business analysis seems to suggest that the only hope was to allow this to become a place for the Hillary hate mongers to congregate, it's been turned over to folks who spend almost all of their time trying (unsuccessfully) to paint Obama in the most absurd, over the top terms.

This community used to be reality-based. It is almost completely unrecognizable to most of us who used to call this site home.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:34:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (2.00 / 1)

So no response about how you'd impose your standards to suppress ideas? What is over the line?

This diarist doesn't deserve to be "banned" because he was expressing ideas you find personally distasteful. If there are clearly defined and articulated standards for what is allowed and what is not, then perhaps you have a point that the site has a right to suppress speech that falls into the "not" column. I disagree with such policies, but if this site only cares about the bottom line, then ideas can find other places to flourish.

But the guidelines you're proposing seem to be based solely on your own internal moral compass about what you know in your gut  to be unacceptable. To me, this is antithetical to the free exchange of ideas that the internet uniquely enables. You're entitled to disagree...that's how it works.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:47:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (none / 0)

so you kosasscks come here to insult and save the site at the same time.

what swell fellers you are!

how about pointing out where my diary is inaccurate instead?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:09:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (none / 0)

anything specific?

or just general bullying intended?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:16:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MyDD once again proves... (2.00 / 0)

Nah Seymour, this is how the Blogswarm works. You're clearly a racist who must be punished. Why? Because you dare to question the only person who can save us from ourselves through sheer sophistry. This free flow of ideas is really getting in the way of our post-racial utopia, don't you realize that? Racist. ;)


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (none / 0)

Nice vid.  But it doesn't explain why it would be wrong to reference one's friends, popular culture, or themes that have been repeated throughout history.  

"OH MY GOD!  Obama isn't the first person to ever use 'hope' as a theme!  I'm SHOCKED AND APPALLED!"

Get a grip.


Donate to Obama, Today!
by freedom78 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:47:54 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (2.00 / 1)

If Clinton's actual campaign advisers waste as much time with petty hate-mongering as her MyDD supporters, I'm not surprised she's losing.


by animated on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:51:16 PM EST

umm... (none / 0)

so your point is that Obama is quoting X?

trying to scare the white people are we Seymour?

i just want you to sit back and think about the diary you just wrote, and the accusations of racial divisiveness. let it sink in.

btw,

obama/x 08


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:58:33 PM EST

Re: umm... (none / 0)

hell no!

theyve already done that with cuomo,kerry and bill ll being called racists..

{me too!}

This baby is about plagiarism!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:23:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: umm... (none / 0)

This baby ain't just about plagiarism.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:26:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: umm... (none / 0)

two words arent plagiarism by definition.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:33:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: umm... (none / 0)

hoodwinked?

bamboozled?

same sentence?

what are the odds?

well ttthe lady at he globe says theyve been used together 3 times before this...last in 1928...soo it IS possible....right?!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:13:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

doesnt matter. (none / 0)

unoriginal maybe, (i happen to think it was tactically brilliant, but thats neither here nor there)

NOT PLAGIARISM. not by any academic or journalistic standards i have ever seen.

and still cmon, how many time does clinton borrow language? its just what politicians do. if you are trying to puncture the whole "im a brand new type of pure perfect politician" crap then ok, i agree that gets annoying.

still not plagiarism, it just isn't.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:30:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

from wiki (none / 0)

Plagiarism is the act of ... incorporating material from someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:39:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: doesnt matter. (none / 0)

I actually agree about the tactical and rhetorical brilliance of the strategy. At least in the short term. But I think it opens the door for an Inauthenticity Narrative that has the potential to undermine Obama's entire candidacy.

But no one has proven nearly as adept as Obama's campaign in shaping the media narrative so far. Sooner or later, though, even the zealots will need to see something substantive: he can't be all signifier and no signified. Or, if he can, then we're in serious trouble.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:15:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: umm... (none / 0)

You have become a parody of yourself. And thats saying quite a lot.
Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:30:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh no! (none / 0)

BIG ANGRY BLACK PEOPLE COMING TO GET OUR DAUGHTERS!

WAITING IN THE WINGS... READY TO STRIKE WITH THEIR RAP MUSIC AND RADICALISM!


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:04:00 PM EST

Re: oh no! (none / 0)

how exactly is one supposed to respond to your implication that Obama is a manchurian candidate who is fooling us into voting for him before he suddenly changes into a vicious black radical from the nation of Islam?

what is a reasonable person to say?


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:12:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh no! (none / 0)

That's not the natural or obvious implication I took from the diary, omar. It read as more of a critique on the inauthenticity of the candidacy of Mr. Authenticity to me.

But you're entitled to your own reading as well. The diarist's posting of this was meant to be provocative and inspire discourse. I think we can rationally debate the content of the message without allegations of bigotry that get us nowhere. Maybe not though.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:30:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i'll bite (none / 0)

what does this comment mean to you?

"Farrakhan silently waits while we get bamboozled."

the implication is clear, that Farrakhan (and by association the black power movement) are just waiting to spring thier radical agenda upon us when Barack wins.

how do you interpret that statement?


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:36:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: i'll bite (none / 0)

Well, I guess I didn't take the Farrakhan comment seriously at all. I viewed it as so absurd as to be obviously bait to inspire all kinds of comments.

I can't believe someone actually thinks Farrakhan is pulling the strings to everything, diabolical puppetmaster he is. I interpreted it as a satirical comment meant to underscore the absurdity of the direction of some of these media narratives.

Now, I could be totally wrong about this. Perhaps it's a straight-faced argument. If so, then the diarist is not a fully-functioning member of society. Maybe I give him too much credit. But it seemed like absurdist bait meant to provoke more comments to me.

I make no claims to definitive interpretation, however.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:52:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Seymour's just a troublemaker, sure (none / 0)

but that comment from redchicken was serious, and patently racist.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:56:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Seymour's just a troublemaker, sure (none / 0)

Look, I think reasonable minds can disagree. I don't discount your interpretation. I guess my larger point is that if we cannot move past this level of discourse as Democrats, then we can never make progress on these issues.

We'll all have plenty of time to decry the real thing once the Republicans' old-school racist attacks begin in earnest.

I thought this post was more about authenticity. But I can see how some would take offense.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:00:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Seymour's just a troublemaker, sure (none / 0)

oh i agree completely about unity, however a lot of people need to see the writing on the wall. BO is the nominee.

although we can hold off until 3/4 of course, im not gonna count the clintons out.

i think if BO holds his own tonight, its over.

if not, we have a race in TX and OH, but even then it just means its gonna take longer for barack to be the nominee.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:03:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Seymour's just a troublemaker, sure (none / 0)

Yea it sure looks like it's over, but I am just uncomfortable with the plug being pulled prematurely yet again. The Republicans close up shop before all the votes are counted and all the voices heard, not us. As far as I'm concerned, until Obama develops a coherent policy narrative that is detail-specific (without obsessing on minutiae), then this thing should march on. And please do not direct me to the man's website. The coherent message has to come from the candidate's mouth. Until that happens, talk of "standing aside for history" or however such demands are phrased ring very hollow to me and many others you need in the party. Not being belligerent, just practical.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:21:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

outside of public enemy (none / 0)

rap music blows.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:22:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

dem dem (none / 0)

didnt you write this exact same diary a couple months ago?


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:05:05 PM EST

This baby is about plagiarism! (none / 0)

and crazy guys who accost Presidents with fire in their eyes and maddess twixt their ears.

--

heres an update you missed -

The last time  I wrote about this("You've Been Bamboozled!" Obama, Spike Lee, Malcolm X , Bill Clinton and the Press Corps- http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/26/1593 0/0207)
how Obama had been using these Spike Lee/Malcolm X words - hoodwinked and bamboozle - as race baiting code, a pro Obama columnist wrote an entire Sunday Boston Globe column to show how  wrong this simple blogger was about all this:


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/ articles/2008/02/10/hornswoggled/?page=2


blog commenters insisted that the combination of hoodwink and bamboozle was the giveaway; where else but in the "Malcolm X" speech would you find those "rare" words together?

Well, in Lord Greville's memoir: "Palmerston never intended anything but to hoodwink his colleagues, bamboozle the French, and gain time" (1885). And in H.L. Mencken: "He does not merely tell how politicians hoodwink, bamboozle and prey upon the boobs; he shows precisely how" (1928). And even in "Some Facts about Treating Railroad Ties" (1912): " `Quick high vacuum' . . . and other imaginary words, intended to mystify, hoodwink and bamboozle the uninitiated."

Can you believe that malarkey?  Whose spirit was on the mind who accosted Bill Clinton in  WI, Malcolm X or Lord Greville? Maybe Obama is "borrowing" from  books on preserving wood and not Spike Lee, I guess it's possible...

,p>LET'S GET REAL FOLKS


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:28:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

watch yourself now (none / 0)

i thought this wasn't about X, but about plagiarism?

you're all over the place here seymour, so now you are using the actions of some random dumbass as evidence of what Obama meant? is that it?

by the way Clinton quotes Truman all the time without specifically saying it, so what? its not plagiarism.

this is about you doing two seperate actions.

1) building on the plagiarism nonscandal. (imagine seymour jumping on a gossip bandwagon!)

2) playing on white people's fear of black radicalism

ps. thats kinda awesome that someone wrote a whole boston sunday globe article answering you.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:42:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This baby is about plagiarism! (none / 0)

" I didnt land on Plymouth Rock,
 Plymouth rock landed on me". Great movie.
by Safe at Home on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:50:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

last words in the"The Candidate" (2.00 / 1)

after he is elected...

a very lost looking redford looks down and says..

"what do I do now?"...

{and he was just elected to the Senate, not the friggn WH!]


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:21:17 PM EST

are you kidding me? (none / 0)

like what? what beliefs does he share with the nation of Islam?

proof?

anything?


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:01:04 PM EST

Re: Democrats are being Bamboozled (none / 0)

well, reccomending this would be a start.

seems our kossack "saviors"are here in force today, putting their posts up .....so...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:19:25 PM EST

not really (none / 0)

just me, and i've never posted a single comment on kos.

in fact you are much more of a kossak than i ever was, until you got repeatedly banned that is.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:32:21 PM EST
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Re: not really (none / 0)

no, not you silly...!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:19:57 PM EST
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Re: Democrats are being Bamboozled (none / 0)

Every time you equate Obama with militant uppity you-know-what's, you kill a little bit of the Democratic Party.

I hope you're pleased, ass.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Democrats are being Bamboozled (none / 0)

hes the one going around using these fake fighting words...

lame...

X never even said them.

movie words...

mr. hawaii's rhetoric is just as fake as he is.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:23:16 PM EST
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Re: Democrats are being Bamboozled (none / 0)

I think the rhetoric can be scaled back on both sides here. No, not all Obama supporters are dangerously obsessive dailykos fanboys drunk on their own powers to suppress dissent. However, such a faction does exist, and they are overly represented online. I, for one, would like to hear some Obama supporters call out the tactics used by that radical faction and employ this conciliatory tone that your candidate so eloquently describes in all his speeches. Until I see such efforts, then I must observe that this is the most hateful hope movement in a generation.


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:26:26 PM EST
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Re: Democrats are being Bamboozled (none / 0)

"My issue is not that he simply plagerizes X, but I'm concerned he holds beliefs similar to X and the NOI party......"

First off Nancy, if you even read Seymour's diary you would know that Seymour accuses him of plagiarizing Spike Lee and not Malcolm.

And, second, what beliefs do you think Obama holds that Malcolm and the Nation also hold? And why does it concern you? Or do you just feel comfortable here with others who fear the black man.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:04:06 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: (none / 0)

All I can say is:
Obama, Michelle and their fan club are helping Republicans to win in 08.
No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:01:07 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (2.00 / 0)

Hmm...did Hillary just say "hoodwinked" in tonight's debate?  

So, clarify this for me...is she plagiarising Barack Obama or Spike Lee?


Donate to Obama, Today!
by freedom78 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:30:44 PM EST

Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (none / 0)

I think it would only be plagiarizing if she snuck in a "hornswoggled"


by dr benway on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 09:38:34 PM EST
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Re: Bamboozled: How Obama has been Plagiriazing S (none / 0)

according to Ben Smith in the Politico, she was borrowing from John Edwards in her final response.

But I did laugh when I heard her say hoodwinked.


by dannyinla on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:51:27 PM EST
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