Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist)

On Monday Michelle Obama said that now that America is on the cusp of selecting her husband to be President, that for the first time  in her life, she's finally "proud to be an American."

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Speaking in Milwaukee, Wis., on Monday, she said:

"People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and ... for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."

Obama delivered an amended version of the speech later that day in Madison, Wis.

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country ... not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change," she said. "I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment."

Obama was born in 1964, meaning her adult life began in 1982.

Oh Really?.  Though news reports have her Obamacrat audience loudly cheering these comments, personally I found that quote to be offensive, with or without the "really"..  I'm a hardcore Democrat and loathe this President's policies, but I have ALWAYS been proud of my Country.  Right and Wrong.

I wonder how many of the deciding voters out there would take offense at those words, that kind of attitude?  And those that would,  how many would chose Obama over John McCain, Man to Man...

Do you think that in the half decade that McCain was in a bamboo cage, tapping out messages in morse code to his fellow captives, do you think he ever lost his pride in being an American?  

John McCain was a American POW for five years. He refused to leave his friends and comrades behind when he was offered an early out of the dreaded Hanoi Hilton because the Viet Cong found out that his Dad was an Admiral. Though a Republican, John McCain IS an honorable man.  Anyone who says he isn't, is a liar and a fool.

If Obama were to face McCain in an election, they and the press would make this contest about simple things - comparing their experience , Obama's "Pride" and McCain's "Honor".  

America will love that uncomplicated kind of choice and yes, love John McCain. He is a very lovable guy. The good old fashioned red, white and blue kind. He's also by far the funniest member of the Senate and when you see him up close and see that his arms still don't work, because of the torture he endued as a US POW, your heart just wants to break a little...

Comparing him Man to Man with Obama will be the Nations choice if Barack is our nominee.

Lets leave Michelle and look at the latest outrageous falseness coming from the Obama campaign. His "borrowing" words from his "good friend" Gov Patrik. Hear Obama's lame excuses and remember that its on "character" issues like this, and comments like Michelles's, that the deciding segment of our electorate will be voting come November.
from TPM:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/02/more_rhetorical_overlap_ betwee.php

More "plagiarism" accusations: ABC News has unearthed another example of Barack Obama using practically the same language as Deval Patrick.

Deval Patrick, June 2006:

   "I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations."

Barack Obama, November 2007, according to USA Today:

   "But you see, I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations."

Here's a YouTube of the two quotes (with minor differences from the above quotes) that a rival campaign is circulating:

Jake Tapper also points out that Obama's use of the "just words" line predates the period when Patrick said they started exchanging ideas. But Tapper does note one common thread here -- both men have employed David Axelrod to be their top strategist, which would plausibly lead to some of the same lines making it into their speeches.

"Exchanging ideas"? What nonsense. If as a 8th grader you'd have let a friend copy off your homework or a test would this lame excuse that Obama has offered have given you any protection from your enraged teacher? Who but a Chicago politico would think that saying that since you only stole from a friend was a good defense for  CHEATING.

It's simple,  Obama represented another person's words and ideas as his own.   In the honor code that Thos Jefferson set up for his University of Virginia, this kind of "misrepresentation" would have gotten him expelled from the campus and the college. If he'd have done the same here at mydd the admins would have "banned" him.
 But most significantly, such actions by Obama  would have gotten him dismissed from all of our Nation's Military Academies on a "honor violation". All of them.

That may not matter to Obama or his finally "Proud' wife or their feverish supporters but know this, it will matter to many millions of those moderate, middle class, playing by the rules, always proud deciding American voters.

Think of that when you next think on Obama's'"obvious" electability over John McCain.



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Dude (2.00 / 1)

This kind of stuff isn't going to work.  Posting bad pictures of the two of them, snarky accusations.

You are writing campaign literature for MCCain.  Are you a Republican?  No?  Then get with the program instead of trying to tank out nominee!


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:26:39 PM EST

What?! (2.00 / 1)

Obama's NOT the nominee, not quite yet. And I didn't hear Seymour say anything about supporting McCain over Obama. If anything, he's offering Obama ADVICE on how not to blow this for us in the fall. Stop acting like Obama's already on top of the world... This race isn't over yet.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:31:05 PM EST
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Re: What?! (1.00 / 0)

He will be the nominee, soon, and all of you can go back to your Republican blogs.  Idiots.  HRC is not winning this.  Hell, she could not even win Wisconsin which is her perfect demographics.  It is over.


by tracey webb on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:17:39 PM EST
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Re: What?! (2.00 / 1)

The state that elected proxmire and feingold is not the state with "perfect demographics" for hillary in this election.

PA and OH, yes....WI, no.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:38:09 PM EST
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Get with the program? (2.00 / 1)

You have been drinking too deeply from the kool-aid cup (hey, what flavor is it, anyway?)


by Shazone on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:56:06 PM EST
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Re: Get with the program? (2.00 / 1)

Tastes like sweet, sweet victory.

I could get used to it, actually.  Here, have a cup.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:56:56 PM EST
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Yuck - made with artificial sweetener! (2.00 / 0)


by Shazone on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:02:11 PM EST
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and general election stricnine. (2.00 / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:39:39 PM EST
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Oh, Sure we do! (none / 0)

But it isn't right to go around trashing the guy who is winning, just b/c you are losing.  

Throwing ammo to McCain is not a good policy, whether you are for Obama or not.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:18:07 PM EST
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Re: It's not just ammo to McCain--It's a point (none / 0)

Actually, Obama has repeated almost none of the right-wing smears against Clinton.  He doesn't mention whitewater of the Lewinsky trial.  He doesn't talk about Bill's shady financing from speaking engagements.  He doesn't mention Sandy Burger or anything like that.

I could give you a whole laundry list of right-wing memes that Obama HASN'T brought up.

You're being petty and insulting by saying that Obama supporters are the 'new Fox News.'  And it doesn't even make any sense.

You've latched on the Mrs. Obama comment, just as Hillary's campaign has latched on to the 'outrage of the day(tm)!'  It's useless, as little comments by people don't decide elections.  And it's not even all that inaccurate; what, since 1980, has there really been in politics to be proud of?  Needless wars, useless scandals.  Some good economic times in the 90's.  Big whoop.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:34:24 PM EST
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Re: It's not just ammo to McCain--It's a point (2.00 / 0)

his campain frgging STARTED by robert gibbs calling the clintons liars and saying they 'sold out the lincoln beddroom"

what about the punjab companion memo attacking bill clinton for every financial  move hes made?

or gibbs asking a reporter when the press were gonna start writing about bill's affairs?

you folks are so full of bs...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:05:06 PM EST
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Somewhere, there's a McCain bumpersticker (2.00 / 2)

... with your name on it.

You'll be a nice fit with that campaign, Seymour.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:28:34 PM EST

Re: but Bob, I thought you had already (2.00 / 1)

Not me. I have always been and will always be a Democrat. In fact, I think Hillary would have been a better president than Bill and I have suggested that many times.

Still not my preferred candidate, but if she manages to pull this out of the fire, I certainly would vote for her.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:33:16 PM EST
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Re: but Bob, I thought you had already (2.00 / 1)

i do respect john mccain as an honorable man.

after the lies about cuomo and bob kerry and the clintons all being racists, used to get votes, no,        i dont have respect for obama as an honorable man, no I don't.  

i may vote for him, but i do not respect him.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:00:00 PM EST
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mccain honorable? (none / 0)

i once thought so, but since the rove assination of him during the 2000 primary season. no, sorry.

the honorable thing to do would have been to make an independant run for the whitehouse in 04; but to fall in line behind w.............no honor indeed.


by citizendave on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:25:10 PM EST
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Re: mccain honorable? (none / 0)

his 2000 campagn guy mike murphy told me back in 04 that they were planing on that, running as an indie but 911, Afghanistan and Iraq happened and McCain being the navy man he is did rally around his commander in chief and so he rejected that idea right then.

I think if there was no 911, he'd of won.

i wonder when we will hear that discussed?  Be sure, we will.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:50:47 PM EST
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Re: mccain honorable? (none / 0)

thanks seymour for a civil response! could it be change is in the air?lol

this is why i don't believe mccain can claim the "mavrick" title and so indie advantave goes to obama. though mccain can still maintain  an indie advantage over hillary........polls seem to confirm this.


by citizendave on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:09:42 PM EST
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nov polls are silly (none / 0)

ask Presidents Dukakis, Kerrey, Perot...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:10:43 PM EST
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Re: but Bob, I thought you had already (none / 0)

McCain, an "honorable man?"

Seriously?

The flip-flopping liar who embraced the guy who burned him? The guy who thinks we should stay in Iraq for 100 years? The guy who embraced Jerry Falwell? Who flip-flopped on abortion? Who is all about war, war and more war?

Your post speaks volumes about your politics, Seymour.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:03:17 PM EST
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and yours (none / 0)

show us why the democratic party was wise to create the "super delegates".

btw, in reality, no one is to the left of me except maybe jesus hisself...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:16:23 PM EST
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Re: and yours (none / 0)

Bah. I have been active in Democratic politics since I was a kid walking door-to-door with my precinct captain father.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:28:26 PM EST
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Re: and yours (2.00 / 0)

then you understand whyafter keenned st us the eletion in 80 - why we needed a break to slow down the wacky emotional fringe of our Party....

and now with all these one day dems around, i say again,

thank God for the wisdom of the Dem Party FOR PREPARING FOR SUCH A FIASCO by providing us with the super delegates.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:46:27 PM EST
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i meant (none / 0)

then you understand why after kennedy cost us the election in 80


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:39:15 PM EST
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Well, I don't know about stepping aside... (2.00 / 6)

But I do think Barack Obama needs to stop dismissing this plagiarism problem as "nothing", and start owning up to mistakes like this. And in regards to Michelle Obama, I hope she's learned now that there are more things to be proud about with this nation than just one campaign. I can forgive the Obamas... But first, they need to own up to their mistakes and start getting serious about "healing the wounds" in the Democratic Party caused by the Obama Campaign's shortsighted scorched earth strategy.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:28:44 PM EST

Re: Obama rules will not last forever. (2.00 / 1)

ha ha ha ha. "He needs to step aside now."

HA HA HA HA HA


by mcdave on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:32:16 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, how did Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole?

Jeez...


by Bob Johnson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:33:54 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (1.00 / 1)

lets see....maybe by saving the economy and bringing peace to the world.

are those achievements on Barry's CV?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:21:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 1)

"Seymour" -

You're arguements were much more compelling when you were penning them under your real name at DailyKos.  This is just tripe - of the kind that Somerby has been railing against successfully for years.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:36:19 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 1)

my boy bob only writes about the media's innacuracies.

where in this is there anything innacurate?

i went to a military academy for HS, a west point theyd have had him right up in front of the honor board for this and he'd be gone in 24 hours.

and this guy should be commander in chief?

id be sorry to see that the pod people have got ya...have they?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:08:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

We both know that Bob doesn't just write about the "media's inaccuracies", but about the way media narratives are developed - as they were developed against Gore in 1999 and 2000.  And a media narrative is developing now - one that you are helping to propel.

If the "pod people" are those who demand real political discourse and not the cheap use of shitty photographs to make a political point, then, yes, the "pod people" continue their hold over me.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:46:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

bob writes about "false" narratives, where am i being false?

and remember pictures never lie...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:16:31 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Don't play me for one of the fools and I'll offer you the same respect.

And, I live in Hollywoodland, pictures lie all the time. In fact that's just about all they do.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:09:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

i believe every word i wrote.

every single one.

as McCains hopi friends will tell you  {he's been very good on NA issues, we will lose them all in a  block}

The camera captures the soul...or the lack there of...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:00:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Here's a Hopi proverb for ya... and for anyone who thinks words don't matter.

"The one who tells the stories rules the world."


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:08:50 PM EST
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You stay classy, Seymour (none / 0)


by bigdcdem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:37:48 PM EST

In the beginning there was the words (2.00 / 6)

Obama asked us to ignore his shortlist of credential and accomplishment.  He said I'm qualified to be your president because I give you hope and I can inspire you to do great thing.
His speech is not "Just Words".

And it turned out his speech is not his words after all.  And he said it's "Not a big deal".   It's a big deal for me.!  First, we were asked to ignore his inadequate credential.  Then, we were asked to ignore his copy-paste speech.

I don't have any reason left to hire Obama to be the president.  He doesn't have credential in his records.  Not he doesn't have credential in his words.  

Mr. Obama, tell me why do  I suppose to hire you?


by JoeySky18 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:50:29 PM EST

My difference is (1.33 / 3)

I sure didn't hear applause from the audience when she said that.

When the news played the clip of "Mrs Obama saying a contraversial comment"...I had no idea what was coming.  And as soon as I heard her say that, I just yelped an "OH".  This is what earns her pride?  Uh, yeah.

But, in all honesty, I heard almost a gasp with may 3 supporters that cheer anyting clap.  It was quite silent on the video clip I heard.  Rightfully so.  That was the most arrogant and demeaning remark a supposed possible First Lady could say.


by LindaSFNM on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:55:16 PM EST

My difference is (1.75 / 4)

I sure didn't hear applause from the audience when she said that.

When the news played the clip of "Mrs Obama saying a contraversial comment"...I had no idea what was coming.  And as soon as I heard her say that, I just yelped an "OH".  This is what earns her pride?  Uh, yeah.

But, in all honesty, I heard almost a gasp with may 3 supporters that cheer anyting clap.  It was quite silent on the video clip I heard.  Rightfully so.  That was the most arrogant and demeaning remark a supposed possible First Lady could say.


by LindaSFNM on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:56:07 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 1)

OOPS, I just copied my own words. LOL


by LindaSFNM on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:56:31 PM EST

That's OK...I gave you mojo the second... (2.00 / 1)

time around!


by Shazone on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:59:29 PM EST
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Obama says "Words count", except when... (2.00 / 2)

they're Michelle's.

And the words that count with him....were uttered first by another politician.

What a way to bring change to DC!


by Shazone on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:57:47 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Youre a real class act.


Hoosiers for Hill -- Barack Obama
by BWasikIUgrad on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:05:05 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (1.50 / 4)


by mcdave on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:05:44 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Campskunk is being a troll because he obviously did not even bother to read the post this picture was meant as a reply to.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:12:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

His name is Barack Obama.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:08:49 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 1)

When your candidate is losing by 15-20 points in the last ten contests, do you really think this nonsense is going to help you?

Actually, it will convince Americans that you are addicted to petty politics.  It certainly isn't persuasive.


by mainelib on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:23:53 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

The diarist writes: It's simple,  Obama represented another person's words and ideas as his own.   In the honor code that Thos Jefferson set up for his University of Virginia, this kind of "misrepresentation" would have gotten him expelled from the campus and the college. If he'd have done the same here at mydd the admins would have "banned" him. But most significantly, such actions by Obama  would have gotten him dismissed from all of our Nation's Military Academies on a "honor violation". All of them.

Oh my! What to do with Clinton then?

Despite all this, Clinton and Senator John Ensign co-authored a Wall Street Journal oped making a point similar to mine that we needed an "Alaska Permanent Fund" approach to helping to build a set of new winners and new stakeholders among the citizens of Iraq. There was no acknowledgment of the New America Foundation's efforts -- but more importantly within the Senate chambers, no acknowledgment that Mary Landrieu and Lisa Murkowski had already hatched that baby.

This was one of my more vain moments actually -- and I couldn't believe that someone I liked in the Senate was launching something that had a preceding history in the world of think tankism and in the Senate. I spoke to someone in her office who said "Sorry. . .but Hillary really thought it was her own idea. . ."

Sure! Whatever!


by Freedom on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:26:56 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 0)

oh your so right!

thats just like obamas plagiarism!

exactly!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:39:14 PM EST
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It's worse! (none / 0)

If you can't see that, then your values scale is all fucked up, I'm afraid.


by Freedom on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:51:44 PM EST
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Oh! and why not ... (none / 0)

add THIS as well.

Keep in mind that

[plagiarism] involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.

If it is proven that Clinton knew about the New America Foundation paper before presenting her ideas in the op-ed, then she would indeed be lying and that would definitely fit the definition of plagiarism.

As far as I know, Obama has not lied about anything in that department. Indeed, I wonder why this has not been mentioned more:

It was Obama who first tested the approach during his Senate victory in Illinois in 2004. Patrick improved on it last year. Now Obama is building on both of those successes as he makes his historic run for the White House. - Link

If anything, one should offer kudos to Obama for not having harped on that.


by Freedom on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:02:21 PM EST
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Re: Oh! and why not ... (none / 0)

Forgot this link above.


by Freedom on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:04:13 PM EST
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bullsht. you wrote (2.00 / 0)

[plagiarism] involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.

bullshit. biden didnt lie, just didnt source.

-----

from wiki-
Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement

Biden was forced out of the Presidential race after the Michael Dukakis campaign released a video showing Biden using one of Kinnock's speeches without properly attributing it. Biden called the charges "much ado about nothing;"[58] it was also revealed that Biden had used and properly cited the Kinnock speech on several other occasions, although he failed to do so on the one instance recorded by the Dukakis campaign.[

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admitting to this wouldnt keep ya from getting tossed out off our nations military academies.

to quote myself:

"Exchanging ideas"? What nonsense. If as a 8th grader you'd have let a friend copy off your homework or a test would this lame excuse that Obama has offered have given you any protection from your enraged teacher? Who but a Chicago politico would think that saying that since you only stole from a friend was a good defense for  CHEATING.

It's simple,  Obama represented another person's words and ideas as his own.   In the honor code that Thos Jefferson set up for his University of Virginia, this kind of "misrepresentation" would have gotten him expelled from the campus and the college. If he'd have done the same here at mydd the admins would have "banned" him.
 But most significantly, such actions by Obama  would have gotten him dismissed from all of our Nation's Military Academies on a "honor violation". All of them


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:38:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

if obama were the nominee, they will do this, its their way and it will guarantee us a loss in november.

mcaain IS a good and funny and likable man.   Hes adopted a kid from bangeldesh by god..

trashing him will backfire ten fold.

he IS a real frigging american hero, this can not be challenged or underestimated.

obama would stand no chance against him at all.

if even a yellow dog like me wants to vote for him {but can't}, others can and will.

and "honor" does trump "hope"


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:34:04 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (2.00 / 1)

Yeah - McCain's the moral one of the Keating Five.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:54:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

ive seen that on the blogs before...do you really think thats gonna be effective? do you? thats what youre banking on?

demonizing mccain is a tres dumb idea.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:12:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Either that or we could wait for his wife to mis-speak.

You should be smart enough to know how to attack an opponent - you attack their strength. And McCain's strength is being a "straight talker."  Let's see how he holds up against his backroom dealings for fellow Arizonan Charles Keating. And ask why his wife and her dad gave money in a sweetheart deal to a Keating shopping mall development. And why McCain got more donations from Keating than the oter Keating Five.

It's not like there's any sort of economic crisis in America right now. So this probably won't resonate.

Better start looking at how to bring McCain down.  Because Hillary as President is looking like yesterday's news.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:58:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Keatig? Are you kidding? that happened 50 years ago and is the reason why McCain became the campaign funding fella he is.  That is very frigtening if you think that is his weakness.

By the way, his straight talk isnt his best selling point, its his lil arms, his non bending arms, the ones the vc hung him from the ceiling with....

plus he's funnier than balls...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:52:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

He sure is funny - especially that vid of him singing Bomb Iran. And that joke about the scum sucking lawyers - laff riot.  And didjya hear the one about how ugly l'il Chelsea is? Knee-slapper.

You kinda have some manlove going for Johnny Mac, dontchya?

And sorry - "straight-talk express" IS his strength and it's his fall-back position when his back is against the wall. Show him as a flip-flopper and Mark McKinnon's Kerry-style attack is going to be turned right back on McCain. That is... after McKinnon leaves McCain's campaign.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:02:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

lawyer jokes are ALWAYS funny. the meaner the better.

i luv john mccain.  he has done some very brave and good leg things, federal tobacco suit for one, torture ban for another...his work as chair with native americans was first rate...but its his arms and his jokes that get me every time...

mccain and kerrey are nothing alike...though kerrey wishes that wasnt so.

i guarantee hill wont run a slash and burn campaign against mccain.

she's gonnaa hug him just as many times as she wacks him.

though itd be hard, she could beat him on kids, health care, jobs and schools...

obama wouldnt stand a chance...

as ive always said, if even I wanna vote for mccain...........THEY will.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:53:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

And no - I wasn't kidding about Keating. It may have been "50 years ago" but the NYT is all over it. Today. Now.

So much for Hillary's hopes that McCain could knock Obama down for her.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:12:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Ridiculing McCain worked for Bush.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:07:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Heck, just talking about McCain's weird susperstitions is enough.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:13:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

hello!!!???

68% of americans believe in angels

over 85% believe in heaven


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:55:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

And 57% of WI believes in Obama.  Looks like the belief in a Messiahs is gonna work against your gal.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:04:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

open primary wi?

two words to show you how outta touch WI is with the american eletorate

proxmiire

feingold

name another state that would have elected those 2 fellows?

and sen. proxmire was my odd and swell pal.
-----

hill wins

tx, oh, PA,in, ky, and pr

the super delegates...

florda...

and the nomination.

watch..................


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 05:38:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

thats right and hell i didnt even mention Rezko!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:36:26 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

i agree 100%.

Most Americans respect military service.  I sure as hell do.

Maybe not those who werent "proud of their Country" till Obama am around, but thats not enough to elect  a President, is it?

See why Super Delegates were created?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 01:57:29 PM EST

Have you all seen these? (none / 0)

the latest in David Axelrods Milli Vanilli of Politics.

...and in case people are having a hard time admitting, these are not just coincidentally repeating known phrases from Former Highly regarded figures, but speeches, exact lines  AND  MAIN CAMPAIGN THEMES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgctsiois Jg

This isn't just copying words, these are main campaign themes and "words"
and "speeches"

Patrick said....   Obama said....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2007/04/16/Patrick_said_Obama_said/
 


by LindaSFNM on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:03:17 PM EST

David Axelrods Milli Vanilli of Politics.!!! (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:40:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (1.50 / 2)

Thanks for the post. The guy is a shill -- we have absolutely no idea what he'll do once he's in office, of what he's capable. And, when I hear him talk off the cuff, without a speech he says the most ridiculous, inexperienced, naieve things -- talk to Ahmadinejad, bomb Pakistan, eliminate taxes, require uninsured who get sick to pay a penalty and back premiums because they got sick and didn't have insurance even though they were never required to, refusing to stand up against pro-life lobbyists, etc.

He's nothing without a speech writer, and even there he's doing reruns.


by seattlegonz on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:11:02 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

Seymour,  Honestly, you have ALWAYS been proud of your country?


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:37:38 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

After reading the comments on this diary, I have to say that mydd has completely lost its way.

It is no longer part of the left blogosphere supporting progressive and Democratic candidates. Permitting this diary to stand makes it clear that mydd has become an outpost of hate language, of the crap we see on Free Republic.  

It's sad.  

Good luck, Jerome, Todd and Jonathan.

When you decide to clean up this place, perhaps you'll regain some of your clientele.


by vbdietz on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:40:53 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

They have tolerated this idiot changing IDs and th4ey know this. I have lost some respect for this blog. Meanwhile they censor another diary. Which means they do have the ability to monitor individual diarists, especially someone as regular as Seymour Butts.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:51:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

what in here is untrue.

be specific.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:34:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

I can almost taste those nice Coors Classics.  I'll send you the Kevin '07 t-shirt anyhow, just for camaraderie.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:45:52 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (2.00 / 0)

i told ya to write down my predictions...

100% since nh
---
whats acoming...

mild win in TX

Nice win in Oh..

Huge win in PA

and then KY , IN and PR

That Big Mo will bring the superDs

wait, watch and see.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:09:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is what MYDD has become (2.00 / 1)

The fact that many MYDDers have recommended a diary by this hypocritical anti Obama hatemonger who has bashed Naderites in the past, and now openly supports voting for McCain if Hillary does not get nominated and what is going to be framed in the media with respect to mcCain just shows me how fucked up this blog has become. Everything has become Hillarycentric here. Despite being very opposed to Hillary's candidacy , I derided the silliness in the OBama camp when it came to the tears incident in NH or people questioning the integrity of Chelsea or against right wing attacks on the Clintons in the 90s or even admiting Hillary would be a better President than McCain. A lot of you are just one note idiots. Fuck it. I dont care what happens to this blog anymore. I think I started coming to this blog out of habit more than any new insight.  

Sure the media is going to present McCain in glowing terms. And who the fuck cares if he is an affable person and has done some good things in his peronal life. But courage does not apply to him anymore. He has been a groveling meek coward in public life in the last 4 years. Remember that Smigel made SNL cartoon where McCain goes back into his trailer punishing himself for the groveling he has to do in front of the despicable people he opposed in 2000? That's the McCain of the last 4 years. Cheered on by Lieberman's for one reason only - he still supports the incredibly dumb Iraq war. He had people like Kristol in his corner and will probaby have him again soon. Who knows.

If you are not prepared to fight the media narrative that will naturally ensue , then you are part of the package to help the media's continual attempts to define the center.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 02:48:50 PM EST

Re: This is what MYDD has become (none / 0)

You know what? I tried to tell Obama supporters who were supporting him simply because he had a good media narrative this. I knew they would turn on him the minute he had the nomination wrapped up. And the general election is going to be worse on Obama. There were plenty of Obama supporters cheering on the media narrative as long as it was against Hillary. Now, that the worm has turned, everyone seems to be whining.

Anyway, I do respect your previous statements w/r/t the media narrative.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:43:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is what MYDD has become (none / 0)

see brooks NYTimes column.

HUUGE Obama supporter -
but now that its McCain -
he says theres no there-there with Barack...

1st of many, many.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:28:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is what MYDD has become (none / 0)

Seymour does not support and has never supported voting for McCain. He simply states the truth about how about how the media will present McCain and how many voters will perceive him. Don't blame the messenger just because he knows what he's talking about.


by LakersFan on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:54:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

hey dipshit (none / 0)

i pull the big D lever EVERY TIME.

Saying i admire and like McCain is not the same as saying Im voting for him.

And where in this was i lying or false.

Michelle said what she said and obama saiid...what Gov. Patrik sidd...  :)

Ths isnt like your bogus diaries accusing Cuomo, Kerry and both Clintons of using race code and being pocket racists where you Obamacrats just made stuff up?

Obamacrats vilifying McCain will be as bad for the Democratic Party as vilifyng the Clintons has been.

We'll lose up and down the ticket.

But you could try the race card on McCain and see if that works again, see if the press joins ya again...

uh huh....right...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:25:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hey dipshit (none / 0)

I didnt say you were going to vote for McCain personally, but that you openly supported voting for McCain which I seem to get from your tone and your lack of outrage at someone not voting Democratic when you have done a lot of that in the past with so called Naderites.

Hell I support voting for third party even if I havent in the past in a Presidential election. It doesn't mean I will vote third party this time.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:40:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

buh bye... (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:33:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is what MYDD has become (none / 0)

Just read Seymour's comments in the past and put it together with the tone in this diary, I can certainly get the meaning i implied.

This is a guy who never hestitated to bash a Naderite evne if they werent really one. Where is his sense of outrage against quite a few Hillary supporters voicing opinions that they may vote not just vote third party, but Republican.

He writes a diary which is a lovefest of McCain and he specifically leaves out all the negative things associated with McCain in recent years, well you wonder.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:45:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Man, this is so true, I mean I remember during President Kerry's State of the Union....


by Socraticsilence on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:09:42 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagarist) (none / 0)

Yeah, this same person went psycho on this board agreeing with NOW-NY. Now she is going to make fun of some lady's looks.

I am sure in the interest of fairness, you will give the guy who posted the tired old pic of Hillary some mojo like I did.


by Pravin on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:10:31 PM EST

President Barack Obama (none / 0)

GET USED TO IT! :)


by highgrade on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:37:31 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

its over dem dem. lets rally.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 03:41:35 PM EST

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (2.00 / 0)

Hill will win

TX, OH, PA, IN, KY, PR

that big MO will guarantee her more

super delegates...

tis far, far, far from over.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:31:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

It's kinda cute, "Seymour" - a boy, a computer, and a dream.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 05:19:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

obama

is a boy and its about his ambitions, his dirty deals with a low down scummy msm, his disgusting and disgraceful lies about bob keery, cuomo and both clintons that saved his campaign...

and the suckers and fools that buy his bullshit.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 05:47:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

Seymour, you're just too much of a cynic apparently. It seems the American people want to have their dream... and they don't care if you think it's bullshit. HRC is learning this. You will too.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:59:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

its all about who has the MO at the end,
not the middle...
Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 05:57:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

What about your boy McCain now - and his morals and his Vicki Iseman.  This ain't beanbag, Seymour.  


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:55:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama(s): I'm Really Proud to be a (Plagiarist (none / 0)

she will lose TX and win OH by single digits. concede on the 5th, (i hope).


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:42:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama rules will not last forever. (2.00 / 1)

Obama's story on Rezko keeps changing....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/polit ics/obama/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,1,7 771603,print.story

Initially, Obama barely knew the man.
Then, Obama admitted a 15 year relationship with  Rezko who'd donated thousands to his campaignS.
NOW - Obama admits Rezko toured his home before he bought it.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 04:45:17 PM EST


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