My Precious, My Precious, I must have My Precious!
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SOME WILL SAY OR DO ANYTHING TO GET WHAT THEY WANT.
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BECAUSE OF THE SICKNESS IN HIS SOUL AND BECAUSE HE WANTS ITS POWER, GOLLUM MUST HAVE HIS RING, NO MATTER WHAT.
BECAUSE OF THE SICKNESS IN THEIR SOUL AND BECAUSE THEY TOO WANT POWER, SOME KOS CULTISTS MUST BLAME AND HATE HILLARY, NO MATTER WHAT.
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DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE
Kos Obamacrats speak out on these words of David Shuster:
"Doesn't it seem as if Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?"
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Clinton is playing this for all it's worth - oh the drama!
(8+ / 0-)If Clinton can't take this kind of remark , she ought to stay out of the White House so as to protect her delicate sensibilities.
It was NOT maliciously intended.
Cut the crap, Hillary. I'm even more disgusted with you than I was before, if that is possible.
by JLFinch on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:05:24 PM PST
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He also said "sort of" (0 / 0)
Why does everyone seem to miss this?
Hillary Clinton will say anything and change nothing.
by jhecht on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:42:52 PM PST
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So it was a bad choice of words (10+ / 0-)
but 1) she's not your 7 year old daughter, she's a 30 year old woman campaigning 2) This is getting blown out of proportion.
The word pimp has a lot of different general contexts now, and I'm pretty sure Shuster wasn't saying they were whoring out Chelsea.
The Clinton's have sparked an uprising, not MSNBC. They easily could have handled this behind the scenes so as to NOT FURTHER bring shameful attention to Chelsea, but everything is political with them, and this will get them more votes. Kudos to them. They play the political game better than anyone else.
I repeat it was unprofessional of him, but a freaking uprising? C'mon.
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
by badger195 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:59:51 PM PST
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WTF ?! (0 / 0)
"However, I became Chelsea's mother long before I ran for any office and I will always be a mom first and a public official second."
Is she saying that she'd put her daughter's interests ahead of the country's interests?
by CrawfordMan on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:25:10 PM PST
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he cleaned it up several times (2+ / 0-)Hillary is displacing her blame since she her campaign has been spinning down.
by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:55:16 PM PST
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What I Think David Shuster Really Meant (none / 0)In my opinion, Hillary's reaction is insincere, Rovian swiftboating cynically designed to divide and inflame the base.
To understand why and how it will backfire, picture Bill staining the Oval Office rug while you simultaneously picture Hillary getting all prudish over an everyday slang term that everyone uses.
This one will backfire worse than the South Carolina race-baiting.
Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Shuster has fought the Bush Adminstration every step of the way while Hillary has looked the other way at best and enabled them at worst.
by obsessed on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
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Look up pimp at Dictionary.com1607, perhaps from M.Fr. pimper "to dress elegantly" (16c.), prp. of pimpant "alluring in dress, seductive." Weekley suggests M.Fr. pimpreneau, defined in Cotgrave (1611) as "a knave, rascall, varlet, scoundrell." The word also means "informer, stool pigeon" in Australia and New Zealand and in S.Africa, where by early 1960s it existed in Swahili form impimpsi. The verb is attested from 1636. Pimpmobile first recorded 1973.I am a loyal fan of MSNBC but this is simply outrageous treatment of the gentleman Mr. David Schuster. Besides the words having several meanings in different contexts, Chelsea Clinton is said to have personally witnessed voter suppression. She is not allowed to address the media or officials on this very serious allegation, this is done by Slick Willy, but can pander (another suggested etymology of the word pimp) for media outlets with the View and super delegates. I have heard nothing more of her allegations, and if they dare make a suggestion of so gross an injustice, then she is indeed fair game and these allegations should be investigated and proved (and let the liars be branded). If she is not allowed to talk to the press on illegal voter suppression but can have basically the political phone sex on her parents behalf, she is not pimped out in some weird way, she is a straight whore
by habitsnoirs on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
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This is the ClintonS ploy (2+ / 0-)to stop NBC from covering their criminality and race-baiting, and gender-baiting.
From sources I have it isn't going to work. Shuster was wrong, and he got punished...move on.... but what the Clintons have done is WORSE.by gaiilonfong on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:50:11 PM PST
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No More Debates Hooray!! (0 / 0)
Obama should call her bluff and not debate on MSNBC claiming the same righteous indignations that the Clintons have.. The first 15 minutes would be a big Victimization ceremony for Hillary.. She'd play it like the question about her likability.. UGHH...
You know, if she's gonna cry she could at least shed a tear...
by Blue Texas on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:00:14 PM PST
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Hillary is hoping the victim card (2+ / 0-)Is good for a few bucks.
by jfern on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:12:17 PM PST
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hidden exploitation (0 / 0)
or maybe not so hidden....instead of saying this is inappropriate and asking for an apology, HRC and gang are playing this for all they can....it was a dumb(very dum) thing to say, but is it me, or is that alot of people (including this diarist) are now moving on to "exploit" this....kind of sad
by r squared on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:14:02 PM PST
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Yawn... (1+ / 0-)
MSNBC has already prostrated itself at the alter of Clintonism. Shuster is on suspension and KO gave an full and unqualified apology. To keep this up now shows pettiness. Let it go.
kakistocracy - Elections have consequences, but capitulation has its price.
by RichM on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:15:55 PM PST
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but leave it to HRC to try to make hay on this. Jesus christ. And yes, I have a daughter.
I'll get you, my pretty.....and your little dog too.
by chicago minx on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:07:38 PM PST
What a shock . . . (0 / 0)
. . . the timing is amazing. What an incredible coincidence. Clinton couldn't have timed this better if she had an army of paid interns combing through hours and hours and hours of second rate commentary looking for a stupid statement to blow up and magnify out of proportion in order to inflame the passion of regular woman who don't spend their every waking moment on guard against a political campaign trying to emotionally manipulate them.
Some advice: Travel lightly.
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That's what we're doing here (6+ / 0-)
raising money for the biggest woman's shelter there is. Hillary in the White House.
by NewHampster on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:02:29 PM PST
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Hillary was a victim (12+ / 1-)
NOW LETS RAISE CASH!
Keep you eye on the ball PLEDGED DELEGATES Obama wins those he is the nominee.
by nevadadem on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:57:58 PM PST
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General election voters (3+ / 0-)
Aren't going to vote for the candidate who tries to play the victim. The real victims are those who died in Iraq due to Clinton's hawkishness.
by jfern on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:07:59 PM PST
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if someone feels... (0 / 0)
...they are victimized in some way by society, i would think going around playing the victim is not the best way to avert such trends as they feel are prevelent promoting such attitudes...but i suppose it does make good press when you feel your back is against the wall...but it kinda comes off as grasping at straws when it doesnt actively rectify the root causes
by TAPayne on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:18:08 PM PST
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Irrelevant? (0 / 0)If I had to choose which topic was the least relevent, I'd be unlikely to select the humanitarian catastrophe she helped bring about.
No outrage there from her from all the children killed. They all had mothers.
I guess she saves up all her fury and indignation for things like this. I find the disparity shameful.
by BleedingKnuckleLiberal on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:08:58 PM PST
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Fox has said plenty about the Clintons (14+ / 0-)
But the issue isn't what David Shuster said. He and his editors have responsibility for what they say.
The issue is the Clinton's pushing their weight around to "protect" Chelsea. When they use her on stage, at events, and for politicing, they open the door to comments about Chelsea. They won't let poor, defenseless Chelsea defend herself, nor will they let the press question her. This is what is hypocritical.
Chelsea is a Stanford trained adult, and she is being used, poor girl. Either she can fight her own battles, or she can't. Either she is a public figure or she is not. Either she chooses to stay in the background or she doesn't. She has chosen to be public, and be visible which necessarily means she will be commented on by the press, the blogs, and in conversation. And she should stop hiding behind her mommy and daddy.
As usual with the Clintons, the issue is always about them. We have freedom of the press. They can say what they hell they want. Frankly, I agree with Shuster's point even if it was made in an indelicate manner.
Hillary can debate where ever she and Barack agree. But making this all public is a PR tactic not an argument. Clintons--I me mine.
Doesn't strike anyone as fundmentally wrong to have the country ruled by two families for 20 years? THIS is just insane, wrong, and un American. Why is this even an issue? If the Clinton's had any decency or respect for our democracy, they would stay away from running for the Presidency. Oh, yes and why is it that recently Texas and Arkansas are the only states we look to get our leaders from? This country is full of highly competent people from the other states. It is time for something different.
Obama is the more honorable person.
by oofer on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:48:04 PM PST
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Barack is tired of debating (0 / 0)
her anyway, I hope she gets mad at all the networks then we don't have to hear her debate anymore.
by jazzyjay on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:59:31 PM PST
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It's a campaign defending Chelsea (0 / 0)
Not her mother, per se and STFU.
The idea here is Clinton's response wasn't defense, it was offense. This is politics. If you or the Clinton's can't take an off hand comment that was poorly phrased and deal adequately with the apology, I would say the problem lies else where than with my observation.
Obama is the more honorable person.
by oofer on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:25:52 PM PST
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What does Obama have (2+ / 0-)
by Philoguy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:50:40 PM PST
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Pimping for Those Under 30... (1+ / 0-)Recommended by:
oofer
I think this is sad - for anyone under the age of 30, the term pimped has transcended its traditional use and is used in everyday terminology - my students use it every day in multiple ways.
Also, I find it interesting that Hillary says she will not go on MSNBC, yet she will go on FOX which has said much worse things about her... Hmmm, this seems to me like more made up trauma the day before primaries.... A pattern?
by Jdories on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:03:54 PM PST
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Pimping from Urban Dictionary (1+ / 0-)
Pimping is defined as: To strongly promote and support a certain thing according to Urban dictionary
Get over it, the Clintons are exploiting gender for votes yet again... And it will work, but only short term... In the end, in this case, the Good Guy will win!
Obama 08!
by Jdories on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 08:23:05 PM PST
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All this over the top (2+ / 0-)
outrage reminds me of Bill Donahue of the Catholic League screaming bloody murder over the South Park episode. Schuster said something student. He apologized and is suspended. He has generally been a very good reporter. Let it go.
by Philoguy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:55:42 PM PST
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Yea, I thought that Shuster (4+ / 0-)was trying to be hip by using that term. I didn't think he used it in an offensive way but we will see how truly outraged they are if they use it in a fundraising e-mail.
by mishiem on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:51:38 PM PST
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Hillary of course! (5+ / 0-)
"They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale
by JLFinch on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:08:00 PM PST
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like this is all just a trumped up bunch of hooey (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
LynChi, smitha007
by the Hillary camp?
That's what is says to me.
"They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale
by JLFinch on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:11:17 PM PST
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No one called Chelsea a whore and she is not (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
Spork
the only adult child to get negative press for pity's sake. Remember when one of the Kerry children accidently wore a transparent dress to some movie opening? The presses comments (and many comment here) ripped her apart for it.
by askew on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:30:07 PM PST
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for a lot of reasons (2+ / 0-)
it appears that Chelsea would prefer not to campaign. It clear that she is doing it reluctantly. That she is doing it to help mom win but that this wasn't the plan. The plan was mom would win easily and Chelsea would stay at her NYC job and show up at victory speeches.
Instead Mom is losing. Chelsea is being forced by mom and dad to help. She is doing it reluctantly.
That is why Shuster said what he said. He was mad at Hill and Bill. The comment was aimed at them. Not at Chelsea.
get it
by baltimoremom on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:13:39 PM PST
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Hillary's campaign using to hold MSNBC hostage (5+ / 0-)
Yes I agree and am sick and tired of this transparency being that the Clintons that have stretched and contorted truth, triangulated, prevaricated, and definitely are no icons of integrity with fair play.
Just calling the kettle black !
by 4km on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:56:46 PM PST
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I heard it, registered a chuckle and moved on... (2+ / 0-)
Which is what more of us should do, if not for Clinton's increasingly desparate need for the sympathy vote.
by Ericwmr on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:48:05 PM PST
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ay f'ing men, desparate being the operative word. (0 / 0)
by jj24 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:30:53 PM PST
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This is a crass play for sympathy.. (2+ / 0-)
...maybe not the best choice of metaphor, but no slight was intended toward any of the Clintons, despite the inability or unwillingness of many to comprehend metaphor.
by Ericwmr on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:54:07 PM PST
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just saying (5+ / 2-)the clinton campaign did send out a fundraiser note in january advertising an opportunity to watch the LA Debates With Chelsea if they donated money to the campaign...
by Steven R on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:04:32 PM PS
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that is disgusting (1+ / 0-)
and is much deserving of a down grade. Its not fucking funny to call people whore- regardless of what your little boy mind might tell you.
by linc on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:14:40 PM PST
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please tell me where i used that word (0 / 0)
because i didn't. but they did employ stategies involving chelsea to solicit donations. You're practicing selective outrage and TR abuse.
and as for the "little boy mind" comment, ugh... are you for real?
by Steven R on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:29:47 PM PST
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Right, they are it's their fucking daughter they (0 / 0)are p.....g out.
by jqb on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:36:41 P
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over the top, and can't be taken seriously. (3+ / 0-)
these histrionics are embarrassing to HRC and to my party.
shit like this shows a) the sheer desparation of a long-term unpopular politician on the brink of a downfall, and b) the shape of things to come under a clinton presidency. both are unacceptable.
by jj24 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:24:20 PM
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oh come on... (0 / 0)
that's ridiculous...
Just because we aren't getting sucked into someone's drama we're now lacking sensitivity?
But since we aren't crying with you over the lifelong deep emotional damage this one word (which was an insult to Bill and Hillary ... NOT Chelsea) caused their pysche, we are "showing our true colors"?
This is actually a huge compliment to Hillary... we believe she is mature enough, smart enough, and responsible enough to handle this rationally and logically.
Because if she is going to get her panties in a twist over something like THIS... how in the heck is she going to run our country? Bomb the Germans because someone spilled their soup on her?
I'm SO over this "poor me" public figure crap...
by Diana Rowe Pauls on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:10:16 PM PST
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But their reaction is pimping her far worse (6+ / 0-)
C'mon - yes it was bad but instead of handling it like adults they decided to make it a controversy and "got to war" with MSNBC and in the process pimp their daughter far worse than anything Shuster ever said.
by FinneganOregon on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:04:58 PM PST
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Victimitis (0 / 0)
That seems to be what Hillary's campaign has.
Yawn.
"It's not just enough to change the players. We've gotta change the game." ~ B. Obama
by madame defarge on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:44:43 PM PST
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It won't help - and might backfire slightly (2+ / 0-)
Every time I can almost bring myself to believe that Hillary has some warmth and reason, either she or, more often Bill, do something to dissuade me.
At the risk of being suspended from blogging, I'll call their action what I think it is:
media whoring.
by grapes on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:06:26 PM PST
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I just think it is fair that she be asked (0 / 0)question to if she is putting herself out there. I would feel the same way to anyone on Obama side as well. If you are out there making calls and trying to influnce things then you are open to the media no matter who it is.
When we are together it isn't me who matters, but the other person
by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM
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This just makes Clinton appear weak... (8+ / 0-)The future isn't what it used be.
by Beelzebud on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:03:50 PM PST
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don't be shocked - (6+ / 0-)but a lot of us are so past done with the HRC-as-victim campaign platform.
by jj24 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:07:51 PM PST
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So much for "Hillary is tough" meme (14+ / 0-)
If her skin is this thin over the word "pimp", she won't be able to handle what's coming her way in the general.
by fink on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:06:35 PM PS
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And I think it shows (2+ / 0-)she's willing to highlight and repeat that supposed "demeaning" to attempt to gain a cheap political advantage. All while sucking up to another network that is more demeaning to her, her husband AND her daughter on a nearly daily basis.
by SuperMom on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:41:06 PM PST
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Against one network the night before a primary (3+ / 0-)
If you don't think this waspolitically motivated, you are naive. (or you don't remember the 90s)
-fink
Al Gore didn't lose in 2000. America did.
by fink on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:28:14 PM PS
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No, it's different when (2+ / 0-)you have a hair up your ass. FAUX OUTRAGE, that's all this is.
Keep crying Hillary, it's the only way you move up in the polls anymore...
by GameChanger on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:13:44 PM PST
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AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON...
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